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Monday, November 30, 2009

Crabmommy: Are kids no longer being taught manners?

If we re-framed the concept of "manners" and called them "social skills," more parents would be apt to teach their kids how to behave politely.

That's one interesting idea that came through in this New York Times article by pediatrician Perri Klass, who suggests that learning manners is a key component of a child's development. Rather than simply seeing manners as bonus points to a healthy child visit, Dr. Klass concludes that manners are part of a child's growth and well-being—"another side of the journey every child makes from helplessness to autonomy."

Like a lot of parents, I feel strongly that manners matter. But there are also many parents who don't seem to take manners seriously. Which might be why I find myself so quick to point out on this blog, a lapse in the manners of moms or dads. It's not a question of snobbery; it's about decency and thoughtfulness. I like to think I'm teaching my daughter well when it comes to basic—but important—concepts of courtesy, but it's hard to make the rules stick when we grownups aren't all on the same page. For example, it's not easy to teach kids to respect their elders in a society where the definition of "respect" is wishy-washy and vacillates so much from one parent or teacher to another.

Related: How do you teach kids table manners when you lack them yourself?

I don't know about you, but when I grew up there were really only two camps: adults and kids, "them" and "us." Grownups were usually referred to as Mr. and Mrs. So-and-So and felt free to correct all children (not merely their own) in matters of manners. I well remember my mother correcting various friends who phoned my house and asked for me without introducing themselves first or greeting my mom. While I cringed at the time, now that I'm a mom myself I respect my mother for sending a message to me and my friends: the world is not all about you, and if you're going to succeed in it, you need to know what is expected of you.

But these same things are no longer expected of all kids by all adults. Acceptable behavior is no longer easily defined, and the "it takes a village" idea of child-rearing many of us experienced as children isn't something we can take for granted anymore. My daughter is still little so I don't know if I'll have the chutzpah to be firm with her pals on the phone or any other time they cross my manners line. I do know the concept intimidates me a little: I don't want to ruffle the feathers of their parents or being seen as strangely old-fashioned and "mean" by my child's friends. I guess it will depend on who those friends are—or rather, who their parents are.

For my part, I'm always grateful to anyone who kindly but firmly steers my kid in the right direction as she learns how to interact with those outside her comfort zone. I'm particularly keen on cues that reinforce the line between kids and adults: I want my child to know that while she may adore certain parents and teachers and they may adore her too, adults are not her peers. Not, to me, anyway.

Anyhoo. That's my tangent on manners today. The article that prompted me to think about all this focuses on manners in pediatrician's visits as a marker of child health. It's worth reading, though if there's one place where a parent might be forgiven for not insisting on perfect manners, it's surely in the doctor's office!?

How about you? Are you strict on manners? Do you feel comfortable enforcing them with others' kids?

Rude Mommy: Read more Crabmommy complaints about parents who just can't get their manners right.

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  • Susan's Avatar
    Posted by Susan Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:16am PST

    I agree with you! While some children are charming and have good manners, so many others are not taught the basics of manners as our society becomes more and more casual. My kid is still a baby, but I plan to be very strict with manners, and about having respect for elders (and everyone). I will introduce my child to my friends as Mr. or Mrs. so-and-so, even though I'm sure many of them will say "call me Jane". I like your mother's phone etiquette lessons - I'll have to remember that! Maybe manners classes should be mandatory in elementary schools, since many parents don't seem to think it is their job to teach them. You would think something like that wouldn't be necessary...

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  • kc's Avatar
    Posted by kc Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:27am PST

    Social skills/manners are so important and with kids spending so much time on video games and wathcing tv, the concept is getting lost in todays world. They have to be taught, it's not the schools job, it's your job, at home!! Get them off the video games, go places and role play before you go into a place what they should say. Have them order their own food, have them answer other adults and kids when they're spoken to. Tell them that it's ok to be shy, but it's not ok to be rude. I'm a speech path in an elem school....the earlier you start, the better. When I meet parents for the first time, the kids usually "go" with the parents.....socialized, mannerly kids = polite parents.

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  • HotCrossBuns's Avatar
    Posted by HotCrossBuns Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:41pm PST

    I think the use of proper manners is the first indication of a person's personal world view, and that goes for both children and adults alike. Anybody who takes the time and considerationg to say "please" and "thank you" and "how are you doing today" shows that they recognize and care about the world outside their own personal bubble. Manners should be taught from the beginning. Even babies can be taught "please" and "thank you" by parents who use these terms when speaking with them and in front of them. What's really bad is that so many parents today either weren't taught proper manners in their youth or haven't matured past their own adolescent self-centeredness to use them, and the idea of them ever teaching their children proper manners is hopeless.

    I expect my children's friends to use the same manners as my own kids. And I call them out on it when they don't, the same way I do with my kids.

    Kid1 once knew twin girls that used to call her 3 and 4 times a day one summer. As if that weren't bad enough, whenever they would call they couldn't even hear us saying, "hello" because they were already busy screaming at each other on the other end. We'd pick up our phone to an auditory assault. I decided that I'd give them the same courtesy they showed us and hung up on them every time. Finally we just decided to not answer the phone whenever they showed up on the caller ID. When I mentioned something to their mom at a school funcion the following school year, she just laughed it off as if it were nothing. No apology, no look of horror or embarassment any other well-mannered parent would have displayed. It wasn't her problem and she wasn't going to take responsibility. Real nice.

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  • jennylorraine's Avatar
    Posted by jennylorraine Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:08pm PST

    i think this is one of those "time & a place" issues.

    or actually, up to the parent, or how lax the household is - issues.

    we are a very relaxed family, and do not expect the kids to wear halos.

    the boy (age 9) opens doors for people.

    both kids say please and thank you.

    they are not crass, gross, rude kids.

    but you know, they are still kids.

    they are not TINY ADULTS, and i do not want them to be.

    common courtesy and common sense (for the most part)

    is what is expected of my kids.

    i am known by "my-kid's-name-MOM" or Jenny. totally acceptable to me.

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  • Crabmommy's Avatar
    Posted by Crabmommy Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:37pm PST

    jennylorraine,

    I agree--kids shouldn't be mini-adults and this is something to be remembered. I'm fine with my first name too. I don't want to be needlessly formal here. i just would like a sense of boundaries, an awareness of the need to respect our elders. And some manners on the phone and in person--even just the effort is appreciated.

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  • John's Avatar
    Posted by John Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:58am PST

    Manners are not skills. They do not take mastery, only a desire not to be boorish and a little bit of attention to the obvious.

    Social skills are non-manner-related interactive skills which do take practice and some people never really master. You can be someone with few social skills but have great manners. The converse, while less common, can also be true.

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  • Habanero♥™'s Avatar
    Posted by Habanero♥™ Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:40am PST

    Manners have certainly changed over the years and I do not think that kids have a clue sometimes how rude they are being. I used to buy my friends kids birthday presents. After never receiving a thank you from any of the kids I stopped that tradition.

    At Thanksgiving, a meal that I pride myself on and spend days preparing, I noticed 3 teenagers during the meal, either texting or talking on their cell phone. I was ripping at their parents for allowing this and one said, "get over it, it's the way of the world".

    My invitation list dropped by 4 !!!!!!!!!!

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  • Sandy's Avatar
    Posted by Sandy Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:36am PST

    Crabmommy- My mom is the same way! To this day, she will correct any child, it's quite embarrassing sometimes. When I was kid, before entering any establishment or before entering anyone else's home...she always reminded my siblings and I... "Mind your manners!"

    So I have been raising my own to 'mind their manners'. My middle child is two years old and she accidently bumped in to a woman while walking in Toys R Us, my daughter looked up at her and said "Sowee".

    Will I enforce manners on others' kids? No, I like you, would rather not start trouble, some people don't believe in "it takes a village" concept. Would I mind if someone else corrected my kid? No, as long as they were correct.

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  • *devotion72's Avatar
    Posted by *devotion72 Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:46am PST

    I myself taught my kids manners! They were taught to say yes ma'am no ma'am! I taught my boys to open a door for a lady. I taught them to be polite and say thank you and no thank you. Sir, no sir and so forth!

    My boys would see and elderly person putting groceries in her car, my boys would automatically go and ask them if they needed assistance. Some of them would say yes and some would say get away from me! Some would try to give them money but my boys refused it and told them "I was more than happy to help assist you and that is good enough for me"

    My boys are now teenagers and they still try to help today!

    BUT...SO many adults today are very rude! The one thing I also taught MY BOYS...Is some people don't care and have issues. If for some reason some one comes off rude to you;laugh and walk away!

    Sometimes adults are rude and very hurtful in their words! SHAME ON THEM!

    I say it all depends on the parent! My mom didn't teach us how to be curtious to other adults. It was just me as a child to be the way I am. I continued this through my children and hopefuly they will do the same when they have children of their own!

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  • springtime's Avatar
    Posted by springtime Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:06am PST

    Growing up, we had sit down dinners. No dinners in front of the TV. If the phone rang during dinner time, it continued to ring. We had famiy dinner conversations and were encouraged to put our forks down when talking.

    Years passed. One of my brothers was interviewing for a great job that required three interviews. The last one was at a very exclusive restaurant. The interview went well; he got he job. That last interview was to test his skills in social settings..... table manners.

    Good manners should be modeled at an early age. Of course children are not mini adults, but how nice that a two year old knows to say " sowee" without being prompted. At some point, I bet she will pass that third interview, too.

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